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Craig originally was named similar to the character he was once inspired by. Eventually though he wanted a new name so he could be more distinguished, and the name Craig came to be

5:10 AM

As for why it was Craig, the name reminds me of the colour light blue (specifically since it starts with the letter C), which is nearly the same colour of the jacket he always likes to wear

5:10 AM

So we were just picking names that started with C until he decided on Craig

Tae is a more proper name derived frome the word TulpAE i know It's not really creative but i figure she can pick whatever she wants later, or just stick with Tae. Whichever she chooses

Interesting. Do you have synaesthesia, @Deleted User?

Originally Allun was named after a character that I thought might have become a tulpa but wasn’t (long story) but I didn’t really want to be associated with that character for a lot of reasons (another very long story) and neither did she so when she became vocal I was forcing with her and just kinda started combining syllables that were coming into my head until I got something we were both happy with

@Blitzeen I believe I do, although it hasn’t been officially diagnosed yet so I can’t say for certain. I’m going to talk to a professional about it after my trip to Europe though

3:06 PM

I like your guys’ names o:

I've heard the notion of a walkin tulpa a few times but I dont understand what that means. My first thought is that its an external entity created by another that has invaded your mental space and set up shop. But I know that many here subscribe to a psychological model of tulpa creation which states that a tulpa is simply a focused reallocation of self that exist solely within the brain.... meaning that a walk in as a described is impossible. Can someone elaborate on this? (edited)

A "walk-in tulpa" is a claim of a tulpa that just appeared, fully developed, with no recollection of a prior reason for existing.

Remain skeptical of others who claim walk-ins.

I would do so as well, though in these cases I would typically propose that the 'walk-in' did have some prior reason for existing or development, or was otherwise underdeveloped at first. Alternatively... perhaps the person experiencing walk-ins consistently should seek mental care, as it is extremely atypical for the brain to auto-generate 'tulpas' in such a way.

Actually, I think it's very easy to create quite responsive character and attach to it.

The host creating responses is different from the tulpa creating responses. That isn't a particularly ambiguous difference.

There's a difference between a character and a tulpa

I initially thought I had a walk-in, but that was the result of a night with absolutely no sleep after reading a long fanfiction

LMAO

I mentioned assumptions not being a good idea in the other chat, but I do believe that applies quite strongly to 'walk-ins' as well. It's certainly not a bad idea to wait for some time and make sure that they are actually acting on their own even if you aren't constantly thinking about them, rather than assuming they are walk-ins immediately and acting from there.

9:07 PM

Not that one can't make that kind of 'walk-in' into a tulpa, but I would certainly doubt that a 'walk-in' is a tulpa in the same sense that others are right at the outset.

Even a young character can make you feel their independent agency.

People can believe quite a few things very strongly, without giving or having credible reasons for believing such. Some people claim having tulpas while their 'tulpas' are just a singular trait made up of a stereotype.

A character you feel they're talking on their own can be shallow, it seems. (edited)

That... is the point.

Oh, whoops. Guess my “tulpa’s” not a walk-in then.

Why would you think they are?

He appeared very suddenly. He didn’t have a form or anything, but he was like a whole independent voice in my head.

Did you do anything intentional to create him?

No. I never considered anything like that. But before he came along, I had a period where I felt that there were two sides of me. My normal self and this weird, super-confident, delusional self who I could communicate with. He came along when that other self was showing up less often. This is all recollection though. It’s been some three years and my memory shouldn’t be completely trusted.

That could be called a walk-in, or a split.

A split? I’ll have to do some research.

Incidentally.

2:41 AM

This isn't entirely related, but it reminded me - there was somebody (who may or may not still be here, I'm afraid I don't remember the username at this point and I closed out of the PM) who said that they were two personalities that communicated together and came up with what they both wanted to say.

2:42 AM

So, two personalities functionally acting as one - and when they came here, people encouraged them to pursue their own separate identities, which... resulted in some severe anxiety and problem on their part.

When he first turned up, he wasn’t really independent or sentient, come to think of it. He was more like an automatic thought process that responded differently to whatever I was thinking. Or he would spontaneously pipe up at random times.

2:42 AM

That’s really interesting.

I ended up talking with them in PM because of the issues they were having, and ended up encouraging them to... not split up, as it was evidently working for them, and it was stable.

2:43 AM

Though, I did also make sure to tell them to disclose it to any mental health worker if they were having individual issues in the future, to avoid complications.

2:43 AM

But even so - regarding 'splitting', it may not be the healthiest thing to do for everyone.

2:44 AM

Regardless of the situation, making sure that 'you' are stable, whether it is just the one, or whether it is you and other multiples... that is the most important part.

2:44 AM

Gambling personal mental health is not something that should be done for the sake of tulpas, period.

I think my “alter ego” of sorts was dominant though. When I was under stress it was as though she took over. I took on her beliefs, thought patterns and traits and everything. She wasn’t too different from me so I don’t think it was noticeable. It was like putting on glasses and suddenly seeing things in different ways. It wasn’t exactly abrupt all the time. Those ways bled through to me when I wasn’t under stress too.

Indeed.

2:47 AM

I've seen that kind of thing happen with others before as well.

Ah, I should’ve loved to talk to similar people after that whole episode.

Indeed.

2:51 AM

I will also point out, by the way - regarding walk-ins. Saying that initially, it may not have been a tulpa as claimed/recollected is not the same as saying that it is not a tulpa now. I did not and do not mean to discredit you and your tulpa at all, certainly not at this point.

2:52 AM

I do want to make it clear that walk-ins... don't actually make much sense from a psychological standpoint, and that more likely than not, there is some misremembering or initial misinterpretation that has happened.

2:53 AM

It is partially for the sake of newer people that clarification of that is excellent, as it does typically make more sense when describing tulpas initially.

2:53 AM

That, and pre-empting the idea that tulpas 'just happen' doesn't seem like the best of ideas.

It undermines the entire purpose of a tulpa in the first place.

To some extent, yes. Otherwise, it doesn't particularly encourage personal responsibility and serious consideration of whether a person does want to make a tulpa or not.

I think that you will broadly find valid mechanisms that can drive tulpa-like experiences and can exist despite only a very short time of forcing.

Good point. So it would be better to describe him as... a thought mechanism who unintentionally developed into something like a tulpa...? Eh.

I like to imagine a tulpa as the accumulation of many such mechanisms, practices, habits, and so on that you build as you force. Maybe the best analogy is like the frame of a house. It's still a building, I'd still call it a tulpa, it's just that the walls have yet to be filled in. (edited)

That’s a really nice analogy.

It may well be a cultural, or even moral, line, more-so than a practical one.

3:08 AM

Were you about to say something before I started typing?

Well, I was trying to come up with a definition of a tulpa, but I think described what tulpa means to me.

3:10 AM

An accumulation of mechanisms, practices and habits that resemble a sentient, separate consciousness in someone’s mind.

I like that as a short effective description

generally in order to be called a "tulpa", there should be some kind of intent involved.

Intent to create the tulpa?

3:11 AM

Maybe "An accumulation of intentionally constructed mechanisms, practices and habits that resemble a sentient, separate consciousness in someone’s mind."

I don’t know that intent is that important. Are you all familiar with Mistgod’s story?

Hah.

melian is a median though, not a tulpa

Not entirely, I know of their somewhat unique situation, but not how it relates to current topics

“Hah”

Mistgod... isn't particularly regarded as reliable here.

I don’t know what a median is either! Moar research

Melian was never a tulpa.

A median is a group of thoughtforms functioning as one

Melian was him acting out fantasies of an alter ego.

3:17 AM

I would hardly consider her a medium, more of an outlet.

I do know melian was never said to be a tulpa

@Clo Out of curiosity, do you have something where he stated that himself, or similar?

That's all he says, constantly.

3:17 AM

Or all they say, rather.

3:17 AM

I think it's a lot less true than they think it is.

Literally what bduddy said. You can go over the old logs in here and see what he's said.

I see.

3:18 AM

Then, there we are.

“Acting our fantasies of an alter ego” true

Melian was never autonomous.

I thought she acted on her own though. “Spontaneously”

I think it's unwise to make judgements like that on people without a very significant depth and scope into their mental state, history, and relationship with the environment you know them in.

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Given his statements, then, and the... rather excessively stereotyped nature of "Melian", I have no trust in the idea that Melian is even close to a tulpa.

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even if they outright say they are X

When Mistgod felt like it. It's hard to believe in their antics with the stuff they said and the drama they kept causing repeatedly. Reguile is correct; I should probably slow down on this accusations.

I will certainly say that they act in a fairly similar way, and that Melian has an extremely one-dimensional identity. Both of these traits are quite common among roleplayers, regardless of what Mistgod and Melian actually are.

Agreed.

There are many reasons why they aren't considered to be trustworthy, at minimum.

I heard many stories as I wasn't around during the time they were super active. It was really hard to take them seriously with their posts and the things they claimed. They refused to acknowledge the definition of a tulpa and were saying tulpas weren't real essentially and tried to push their own views. (edited)

3:25 AM

On top of that, most of their arguments were feelings based and it was essentially one-sided conversations most of the time. They did not listen whatsoever to any advice or any debates/arguments they would usually start. It was like smashing your face against a brick wall. All of the mods from then probably have mangled faces.

They seem unable to talk about tulpas for more than a brief period without descending into intractable arguments.

Yes.

3:26 AM

In any case.

Yep. Case in point with the last time they spoke in this server; they were banned afterward and a new rule was implemented as a result - IRC bans apply to Discord as well.

3:27 AM

Would you say your face has scars from back then, Winter?

No.